Opinions of Great Personalities Of Mahabharat about Mahanayak KARNA

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Karna was greatest archer/warrior of his generation. He was INCAPABLE OF BEING DEFEATED in a fair war according to Lord Krishna. This thread is dedicated to opinions of all those great personalities about the strength of Karna.

‪Note - Dronacharya & Kripacharya were partial for Arjuna & against Karna from beginning for his lower caste. These caste minded people always hate Karna for his lower caste. So there is no need to see their opinions about Karna.

THIS THREAD IS DIVIDED INTO 6 PARTS

PART-1 : OPINION OF LORD KRISHNA ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

PART-2 : OPINION OF PITAMAH BHISHMA ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

PART-3 : OPINION OF LORD PARSHURAM ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

PART-4 : OPINION OF DEVI GANDHARI ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

PART-5 : OPINION OF NARAD MUNI ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

PART-6 : OPINION OF YUDHISTIRA ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA
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● PART-1 : OPINION OF LORD KRISHNA ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

This again sub-divided into 4 parts

1) Before War
2) Just Before War
3) During War
4) After War

1) BEFORE THE WAR

[Krishna said to Arjuna]
O sinless one, I swear to thee that hero(Karna) is still incapable of being slain by anybody else save thee. Devoted to Brahmanas, truthful in speech, engaged in penances, observant of vows, kind even unto foes, for these reasons Karna is called Vrisha. Heroic in battle, possessed of mighty arms and with bow always uplifted, like the lion in the forest depriving leaders of elephantine herds of their pride, Karna always deprives the greatest car-warriors of their pride on the field of battle, and resembles the mid-day sun at whom none can gaze. Contending with all the illustrious and foremost of warriors of thy army, O tiger among men, Karna, while shooting his arrowy showers, looked like the autumnal sun with his thousand rays. Indeed, incessantly shooting showers of shafts like the clouds pouring torrents of rain at the end of summer, Karna is like a pouring cloud charged with celestial weapons. He is incapable of being vanquished in battle by the gods, he would mangle them in such a way that their flesh and blood would fall copiously on the field. Deprived, however, of his armour as also of his ear-rings, O son of Pandu, and divested also of the dart given him by Vasava, Karna is now like a man (and no longer like a god).

There win occur one opportunity for his slaughter. When his car-wheels will sink in the earth, availing thyself of that opportunity, thou shouldst slay him in that distressful situation. I will make thee a sign beforehand. Warned by it, thou shouldst act. The vanquisher of Vala himself (Indra), that foremost of heroes, wielding his thunder, is incapable of slaying the invincible Karna while the latter stands weapon in hand.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07177.htm

*****NOTE THIS LINE - incapable of slaying the invincible Karna while the latter stands weapon in hand.

##‪‎Here‬, See Krishna already said to Arjuna that even Indra(Arjun's father) can't kill Karna in fair war till Karna posses weapons in hand. Arjuna too didn't have ability to do this. When wheel of Karna's chariot will be sunk in ground then only he will be able to kill weaponless Karna by cheating, not otherwise.

2) JUST BEFORE THE WAR

“ Hear in brief, O son of Pandu! I regard the mighty warrior Karna as thy equal, or perhaps, thy superior! . In energy he is equal to Agni. As regards speed, he is equal to the impetuosity of the wind. In wrath, he resembles the Destroyer himself. Endued with might, he resembles a lion in the formation of his body. He is eight ratnis in stature. His arms are large. His chest is broad. He is invincible. He is sensitive. He is a hero. He is, again, the foremost of heroes. He is exceedingly handsome. Possessed of every accomplishment of a warrior, he is a dispeller of the fears of friends. No one, not even the gods with Vasava at their head, can slay the son of Radha, save thee, as I think. No one possessed of flesh and blood, not even the gods fighting with great care, not all the warriors (of the three worlds) fighting together can vanquish that warrior.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08072.htm

*****NOTE THIS LINE - I regard the mighty warrior Karna as thy equal, or perhaps, thy superior!

###Here, See Lord Krishna himself accepted Karna SUPERIOR to Arjuna. According to Krishna, Karna was invincible in fair war. Krishna called Karna "Foremost Of Heroes" means mahanayak Karna. He said "save thee" means "except you" because at that time Arjuna was under protection of Hanuman, Vayu and Krishna himself. That's why he said it. Even then, Krishna mentions that, Karna can be defeated only when he is weaponless, and I will command you to kill him then only.

3) DURING THE WAR
[Krishna said to Arjuna]
The son of Radha baffled with his own weapons those of Savyasaci. Displaying also his own prowess, he seemed to get the ‪‎better‬ of Dhananjaya at that time. Then Krishna, beholding Arjuna afflicted with the weapons of Karna, said these words unto Partha.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08090.htm

*****NOTE THIS LINE - Displaying also his own prowess, he seemed to get the #better of Dhananjaya at that time.

###Here, See during final encounter again Lord Krishna accepted superiority of karna over Arjuna. Lord krishna himself admit the archery performance of Karna is BETTER than Arjuna.

4) AFTER THE KURUSHETRA WAR

[Krishna said to Pandavas]
Krishna addressed them in a voice deep as that of the clouds or the drum, saying, "All of them were great car-warriors and exceedingly quick in the use of weapons! IF YE HAD PUT FORTH ALL YOUR PROWESS, EVEN THEN YE COULD NEVER HAVE SLAIN THEM IN BATTLE BY FIGHTING FAIRLY! King Duryodhana also could never be slain in a fair encounter! The same is the case with all those mighty car-warriors headed by Bhishma! From desire of doing good to you,
. If I had not adopted such deceitful ways in battle, victory would never have been yours, nor kingdom, nor wealth! Those four (Bhishma, Karna, Drona,Duryodhana) were very high-souled warriors andr egarded as Atirathas in the world.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09061.htm

*****NOTE THESE 2 LINES*****
1. If ye had put forth all your prowess, even then ye could never slain them in battle by fighting fairly...
2. I repeatedly applied my power of illusion an caused them to be slain by diverse means in battle...

###Here, See Lord Krishna himself admitted that It was ‪‎IMPOSSIBLE‬ to kill Bhishma, Karna & Drona in fair war.All pandavas together were unable to defeat Bhishma, Drona & Karna--- any one of these warriors. Bhishma, Karna & Were under effect of illusion of Krishna. If being affected by illusion krishna, these 3 warrior fought with arjuna & proved themselve better. Now just imagine If Krishna not used his illusion, how destructive could be karna..?? Where was arjuna in front of Karna..??
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● PART-2 : OPINION OF PITAMAH BHISHMA ABOUT KARNA

[Bhishma said to Karna]
In bowmanship, in aiming weapon, in lightness of hand and in strength of weapons, thou art equal to Phalguni himself, or the high-souled Krishna! O Karna, proceeding to the city of Kasi, alone with thy bow, thou hadst crushed the kings in battle for procuring a bride for the Kuru king! The mighty and invincible king Jarasandha also, ever boastful of his prowess in battle, could not become thy match in fight! Thou art devoted to Brahmanas; thou always fightest fairly! In energy and strength, thou art equal to a child of the celestials and certainly much superior to men.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06124.htm

*****Here, See Pitamah Bhishma himself called Karna equal to Krishna & Arjuna in strength. Pitamah called Karna best human being who always fights fairly !


》》 PITAMAH BHISHMA HIMSELF ORDERED TO KILL SINFUL PANDAVA & TO GIVE VICTORY TO DURYODHAN

[ Pitamah Bhishma said to Karna ]
In auspicious words I command thee, go and fight with the enemy. Lead the Kurus in battle, and give victory unto Duryodhana. Thou art to us our grandson even as Duryodhana is. According to the ordinance, all of us also are as much thine as Duryodhana's! 1The wise, O foremost of men, say that the companionship of the righteous with the righteous is a superior relationship to that born of the same womb. Without falsifying, therefore, thy relationship with Kurus, protect thou the Kaurava host like Duryodhana, regarding it as thy own.
"Hearing these words of his, Vikartana's. son Karna, reverentially saluting Bhishma's feet, (bade him farewell) and came to that spot where all the Kaurava bowmen were

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07004.htm

*****Here, See Pitamah bhishma also considered Karna the only man who can single-handly kill all 5 pandava easily thats why ordered him to kill pandava. Also he said Karna and Duryodhana "righteous"
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● PART-3 : OPINION OF LORD PARSHURAM ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA.

[Parshuram said to Karna]
On earth, no Kshatriya will be thy equal in battle.' Thus addressed by Rama, Karna came away, having duty taken his leave. Arriving then before Duryodhana, he informed him, saying, 'I have mastered all weapons!'"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12a003.htm

*****NOTE THIS LINE - On earth, no Kshatriya will be thy equal in battle.

###Here, See Lord Parshuram himself accepted there is no one equal to Karna in battle. Parshuram already trained Bhishma & Drona but still he called Karna his best deciple who was best warrior of dwapar yuga trained by Lord Parshuram who was 6th incarnation of Lord Vishnu himself. SO LORD VISHNU HIMSELF CALEED KARNA BEST.
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● PART-4 : OPINION OF DEVI GANDHARI ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

NOTE - Gandhari's opinian is necessory bcoz unfair death of Karna was root cause of Gandhari's curse to Lord Krishna.

[Devi Gandhari said to Krishna]
Filled with anxiety caused by the thoughts of that warrior, king Yudhishthira the just could not, for thirteen years, obtain a wink of sleep! Incapable of being checked by foes in battle like Maghavat himself who is ‪invincible‬ by enemies, Karna was like the all-destroying fire of fierce flames at the end of the yuga, and immovable like Himavat himself! That hero became the protector of Dhritarashtra’s son, O Madhava! Alas, deprived of life, he now lieth on the bare ground, like a tree prostrated by the wind! Even now she exclaims, "Without doubt, thy preceptor’s curse hath pursued thee! When the wheel of thy car was swallowed up by the Earth, the ‪‎cruel‬ Dhananjaya cut off thy head with an arrow! Alas, fie (on the heroism and skill)!"

http://sacred-texts.com/hin/m11/m11020.htm

*****Here, See even Gandhari also admit Karna as invicible warrior in fair war. She also doesnot respect Arjuna for his coward act. According to Gandhari there was no one equal to Karna in battle. Also, Yudhistir calimed that when Karna vowed to kill Arjuna, he couldn't obtain even a wink of sleep for 13 years. Notice the terror of Karna in pandavas.
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● PART-5 : OPINION OF NARAD MUNI ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

[ Narad muni said to Yudhistira]
Deprived of his ear-rings and divested of his natural armour, he was slain by Arjuna in Vasudeva's presence. In consequence of a ‪‎Brahmana‬'s curse, as also of the ‪‎curse of the illustrious Rama‬, of the ‪‎boon granted to Kunti‬(of not killing four pandavas) and the‪ ‎illusion practised on him by Indra‬, of his ‪‎depreciation by Bhishma‬ as only half a car-warrior, at the tale of Rathasand Atirathas, of the ‪‎destruction of his energy caused by Salya‬ (with his keen speeches), of ‪Vasudeva‬'s_policy, and, lastly of the ‪‎celestial weapons obtained by Arjuna from Rudra and Indra and Yama and Varuna and Kuvera and Drona‬ and the illustrious Kripa, the wielder of Gandiva succeeded in slaying Vikartana's son Karna of effulgence like that of Surya himself. Even thus had thy brother been cursed and beguiled(cheated) by many. As, however, he has fallen in battle, thou shouldst not grieve for that tiger among men!'"Vaisampayana said, 'Having said these words, the celestial Rishi Narada became silent.

http://mail.sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12a006.htm

*****Here, See According to Narad Muni,
(a) Curse of Brahmin and Parshuram
(b) His boon given to Kunti of sparing his 4 sons
(c) Illusion practised on him by Lord Indra(Arjun's father).
(d) insult by Bheeshma ( Bheeshma insulted him because he did not want Karna to take part in war initially, in fear that he will kill Arjuna)
(e) insult by Shalya
(f) The deceits of Vasudeva
(g) celestial weapons given to Arjuna by Shiva, Indra, Yama, Varuna, Kuvera , Drona and Kripa

were reasons of karna's death. and NOT ARJUN"S SUPERIOR SKILLS !
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● PART-6 : OPINION OF YUDHISTIRA ABOUT STRENGTH OF KARNA

This is again subdivided into 3 Parts
1) After the rangbhoomi competetion
2) After his defeat by Karna in Karna parv
2) After the war in shanti parv

1) AFTER THE RANGBHOOMI COMPETETION :

Yudhishthira was impressed with the belief that there was no warrior on earth like unto Karna.'"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01140.htm

युधिष्ठिरस्याप्य अभवत तदा मतिर; न कर्ण तुल्यॊ ऽसति धनुर्धरः कषितौ

*****Here, See After analysis in rangbhoomi competetion, Yudhistira also realised the truth that there is no warrior equal to Karna in battle not even his own brother Arjuna.

2) AFTER HIS DEFEAT BY KARNA IN KARNA PARV

[ Yudhistira said to Arjuna]
Karna had received lessons from Rama in weapons! He was invincible in battle! The foremost one in all the world, as a car-warrior he was celebrated throughout all the worlds. He was the saviour of the Dhartarashtras, and the proceeder in their van! A slayer of hostile troops, he was the crusher of large bands of foes. Ever engaged in Duryodhana's good, he was always prepared to inflict woe on us! He was invincible in battle by the very gods with Vasava at their head. In energy and might he was equal unto the god of fire and the god of wind. In gravity he was unfathomable as the Nether world. The enhancer of the joys of friends, he was like the Destroyer(Mahadeva) himself unto foes!

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08066.htm

*****Here, See According to yudhistira, Karna was invicible & equal to all gods of heaven together.
1 karna = All gods of heaven

3) AFTER THE WAR IN SHANTI PARV

[ Yudhistira said to Narad muni ]
That hero who had the strength of TEN THOUSAND ELEPHANT, who in this world was an UNRIVALLED car-warrior, who was possessed of leonine pride and gait, who was endued with great intelligence and compassion, whose liberality was very great, who practised many high vows, who was the refuge of the Dhartarashtras, who was sensitive about his honour, whose prowess was irresistible, who was ready to pay off all injuries and was always wrathful (in battle), who overthrew us in repeated encounters, who was quick in the use of weapons, conversant with every mode of warfare, possessed of great skill, and endued with wonderful valour (that Karna) was a son of Kunti, born secretly of her, and therefore, a uterine brother of ours.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12a001.htm

*****Here, See Yudhistira himself accepted there was no warrior equal to Karna.

YUDHISTIRA ADMITS THAT ALL PANDAVAS WERE "OVERTHROWN" BY HIM IN "REPEATED" ENCOUNTERS.
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‪CONCLUSION‬:

ABOVE ALL NARRATIVES CLEARLY INDICATES THATS KARNA WAS GREATER THAN ARJUNA IN MANY WAYS. ARJUNA WAS NO MATCH OF KARNA IN ARCHERY. ALL GREAT PERSONS OF MAHABHARAT NARRATED KARNA MORE VALIANT THAN ARJUNA.

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